
French OG
August 13, 2025
The problem with the word "shit-test" is that it has become an umbrella term where people use it quite loosely, which makes the expression lose its essence to the point that many people believe it is positive. Because they include two different types of "shit-tests":
The positively framed one is not a shit-test; it is a flirt when they cheekily assume a positive trait from you.
”You say this to all the girls, don’t you?”
The negatively framed one is a shit-test with different implications. This is because they are not sold enough on you; they need more convincing.
Initially, a Shit-test was some challenge a girl would throw at you to test how insecure you were when you would approach:
"Are you gay?"
"Have you looked at yourself?"
"You are not my type."
"You are too short."
You see how personal and directed towards you they were. That is why PUAs and other game guys told guys not to take it personally as a way to overcome these tests and use what women do very well, which is reframing. They borrowed women's mental models to beat them in their mental gymnastics. It is necessary for them because they are looking to qualify in prospects rather than qualifying them out, as numbers are the name of the GAME.
Here, the shit-tests were barriers for you even to be involved in an interaction with her. The attraction was not there to begin with. No halo effect, which brings the resulting optimistic assumptions. That is the REAL SHIT-TEST, the one that will define whether we can break or not the stranger barrier.
But now even challenges which are not as personally geared or negatively framed are falling under the umbrella of "shit-tests" due to the overwhelming ego of guys making it more personal than it actually is.
E.G.
She is doing or saying things unrelated to him directly. Still, she will take note of his reaction (which generally happens after the Fuck barrier is broken), indicating she is vetting you as a potential long-term mate. You are already pre-qualified as boyfriend material.
If you have not broken the Fuck barrier, it is just her talking shit, and you just made it personal because you happened to be in front of her, and you assume it was a shit-test.
e.g.
"Men are supposed to understand challenges women face today" => It is a general statement, don't make it about you, even if you are in front of her.
Last Minute Resistance => It will be considered a shit-test even though it is more of a defence mechanism for her. You will make it about you, as you are the one in front of her.
However, she will do that with most guys in that situation, as a way to make her feel it just happened, and it was not planned.
e.g.
"We are not going to have sex tonight."
Anti-Slut Defence Mechanism will be, as the name suggests, her not wanting to feel like a slut, and it is through the use of plausible deniability that you will get her in the right circumstances for you to close the deal.
e.g.
"I normally don't do this."
The difference between the above 3 examples and the Original Shit-Test examples I showed above.
One is directed directly at "YOU" and is negatively framed.
The others are either using "I", "We" or a generalist framework, and are about a situation rather than you as a person.
Of course, there is always a degree of something being said that is personal; let's not fool ourselves.
But listen to the words being said to understand to which level within the gradient you should take it personally. Because the more personal you take it, the more you will see it as a shit-test, even when it is flirting / vetting, or her dealing with her insecurities, rather than you fitting or not her model.
SHIT-TESTS before intercourse and relationships are negatively framed challenges she makes with the word "YOU" being directly involved, making it as clear as possible she does not see you as a good fit on a surface level.
Neutral statements or "we" or "I" framed challenges are not shit-tests because they come from a position that you are already within a back-and-forth interaction.
With the latter, she wants you to win. With the former, it is more a disqualifier enabling mechanism to get rid of the also-rans, and only the top guys within that cohort will go through it, either through reverse shit-tests or other verbal trickeries. All of this is unconscious to her, but it establishes your ranking in her hierarchy.
I reiterate SHIT-TESTS are not positive.
Shit-tests are set up by the person who chooses you. It is a top-down framework, where she sees herself as topping you, a poorly disguised patronising behaviour towards you.
When she wants to make you win, it is a cooperative horizontal framework rather than a vertical one. Vertical frameworks established her propensity towards power games, which is what shit-tests are essentially. Rather than looking at how to make things work smoothly, conflict is required to prove who has the power, because one cannot establish it indirectly through observations.
Firstly, accepting the framing of a SHIT-TEST is accepting you to partake in some dating judgment where she is the judge, foregoing your agency and your discretionary power as a willing participant. Mindlessly addressing them shows you have no frame, as you make your value contingent upon her judgment. Frame is deciding when it is valid enough to flip the script on her and assess if the reasons behind it are aligned with who you are.
Otherwise, it is accepting to do double back flips to get approval from a third party.
This is how she, or other PUAs, are framing a situation to your benefit, even though it is to her benefit, which is why PUA and Game, in essence, are within the Feminine Frame.
Technically, relationships are to women's benefit instead of men's. But, to make men forget that and at the same time to make them feel like they have got a much better deal than they actually did, they must work for it through jumping hoops.
And once the circuit of bending over backwards is done, he will be the one chasing, or working for the relationship to lead to marriage, dropping to one knee, because he got invested...that is the whole game on their part. Get the guy to invest in a poorer-than-average deal, but get him to commit. A zero-sum game where for her to be the winner, the man has to be the loser.
It is the same way how women will emotionally manipulate guys with the “real men do this”, inviting the weak-minded to fall into their validation control loop, where she grants the masculinity points. And too many guys fall for it, because they have not defined their masculinity other than through the lens of success or validation from women.
You will hear or read men say that the women treated the guy this way because he was weak. In some instances, it is true; in others, she is just being a cunt, and switching the scene, would you stay with a service provider offering you poor customer service? Yet it is what women using that validation loop want men to believe. But because these guys have no other sources of grounding than the woman’s approval, they cannot get out of this fallacy. “I am strong enough to bear with poor customer service” is essentially what these guys are proud of, and what women sold them.
Now think of yourself being inside a relationship, are the best times when you consider yourself being shit-tested? Obviously not.
It is when everything is smooth sailing. The shit-tests only happen when you start getting comfortable and sloppy, and they begin to get worse the longer you don't attend to them. Shit-tests as a barometer and a more legitimate concept for relationship management are stronger within the relationship framework.
The tougher the shit-test is, the weaker you have shown yourself to be. Again, shit-tests, here, are not the worst of all things, but they are not the best of all things either. Here, she shows she cares enough to make the relationship work, indirectly, because she is allowing you to address the matter covertly, rather than completely ignoring you.
However, you would not need to go through these shit-tests had you not shown yourself to be weak in front of her.
So, it's not bad, but it is not as good as guys want to make it sound. The best of situations is when she does not give you any shit-tests because she is convinced you are suitable for her, through your display of masculinity, status, social proof, money, looks or whatever the hell resonates with her.
Women are also visual at first. When it is in the early dating phase, they will draw more conclusions from your appearance than from what you say. For example, your communication through pics (IG/Dating apps) will tell more about you than your description.
Travel = Money
Group of Friends = Social Proof
Fundraiser Venue = Status and Money
Big Muscles / Big Frame / Height = Masculinity
This will make her decide whether or not to poke the bear.
All of these heuristics are part of the Archetype she will put you in. These archetypes, depending on whether or not she will vibe with the one you represent, will save her from operating shit-tests on you, as positive attributes will be assumed from it.
The shit-tests in this situation will only happen if you have shown weakness, or there was a faux pas on your side, because there was real attraction to begin with, as there were no negatively framed challenges.
Here, the Shit-Tests before the relationship is a defensive situation where you have to make up for a fuck up. Whether that fuck up is because you lack in one of the buckets which she values from the onset, but you managed to navigate since, or where you fell out of congruence with the Archetype she had of you, does not matter. You found yourself on the back foot.
Put yourself in their shoes.
Would you go and try shit-testing the masculinity of a 6ft 8 guy with 240 pounds of raw muscle to make sure you could physically beat him? No, you assume he would whoop your ass. Your survival instinct will tell you, "I must not mess with this chap".
And then you hear he has the voice and the mannerism of a girl, then you will be startled and start poking the bear.
So, the equivalence here is if she already buys in your presence, looks, charm, masculinity, and there are little to no doubts she won't shit-test you, thus she will flirt with you effortlessly.
This is where I will go Black Pill... go out with a Chad or a Tyrone, I have, and you will realise the little Shit-Tests they get when they do get any, it is positively framed ones, aka flirting ones
"You must have all the girls chasing after you."
You know the difference between a girl who shit-tests you and one who does not from the onset.
The ones who do shit-test you need to see you with other girls to be interested in you, for her to believe that you have success with girls.
The ones who do not need to shit-test assume you already have all the girls running after you.
Why? Because she projects her attraction to you onto the other girls.
They will say to their friends: "he can pick any girl he wants". But you know it is nowhere near accurate. But it is just their perception.
Whether in a relationship or not, shit-tests happen from a position of uncertainty about your value, and she places herself as the judge rather than the one being judged in the interaction. This is not a situation you want to be in.
You can "pass" the shit-test, but it is a pyrrhic victory. It is like re-applying for a loan. The more she shit-tests you, the less bought-in she is into your starting frame.
There are three types of guys, and they are not evenly distributed:
Tier 1 guys: The guys she really likes, her type, high buying temperature, don't need to run her background checks, "please take me", little to no shit-tests. Ballpark estimate first 5-15%.
Tier 2 guys => "Yeah, he is alright", “he is handsome", “guess I will need to see his personality to see if we are compatible”, so here comes the shit-tests => second 15%-30%
Tier 3 guys=> "Hell No" => These are not shit-tests, they are "get the hell away from me" => bottom 70% to her.
Once you have experienced the above, you cannot unsee it.
People who praise shit-tests as her being interested in you are delusional. Still, in some respects, I can understand where they are coming from, as that delusion works for the irrational confidence they need to have, as that is a cornerstone of their game to turn a reality to their benefit, i.e., their reality. Yet the attraction is manufactured (thus fake), and it is not authentic.
Frame, as a Tier 1 guy, is Looks/Masculinity to begin with, where she will draw the positive attributes from the Halo Effect.
Frame as a Tier 2 guy will have to be asserted, as she is not sold enough to assume you have what it takes to dominate her.
Eventually, there are two types of desire.
Raw and Genuine Desire (Tier 1 Guy) and Manufactured Desire (Tier 2 Guy compensating).
The believer of the "Shit-Tests are good" either prefers working hard for someone to feel that it is more valuable (feminine mindset when it comes to dating) or has never experienced Tier 1 Guy treatment, when it is not to prove something to himself (“I have Game Bro”).
To eventually realise there is little to no value in it, outside of the illusion that the harder it is to get the girl that he ultimately got, the more valuable she is.
Although it was not so hard for someone else, he projected his personal experience as the baseline for that girl's other interactions with other guys. But her reaction to them is a variable, not a constant. This is where they are misguided.
CONCLUSION:
You don't need to work for a girl who is into you; she will make sure you win.
She will only start to shit-test you either when she is not sold on you from the get-go, or after one/multiple incongruence fuck ups, or within a relationship when you show weakness.
Regardless, being on the back foot is not a positive.
This is Why:
SHIT-TESTS are framed to make "YOU" lose.
VETTING and Other Neutral "WE"/"I" Challenges are there to make YOU win.